firstname.lastname@example.org (Tim Wilson) wrote: >I've lost the original post, but in it >Madhudvisa dasa (email@example.com) said >something to the effect that the ultimate force in >the universe was sound, and that it created everything. According to the Srimad Bhagavatam either [the sky, space] was created from the false ego and the subtle form of false ego is sound. The sound then "transforms" the sky and: "Because the sky is transformed, the air is generated with the quality of touch, and by previous succession the air is also full of sound and the basic principles of duration of life: sense perception, mental power and bodily strength. When the air is transformed in course of time and nature's course, fire is generated, taking shape with the sense of touch and sound. Since fire is also transformed, there is a manifestation of water, full of juce and taste. As previously, it also has form and touch and is also full of sound. And water, being transformed forms all variegatedness on earth, it appears odorous and, as previously, becomes qualitatively full of juice, touch, sound and form respectively." (Srimad Bhagavatam 2.5.26-29) >I'm curious as to how sound could exist without matter. >I was taught that sound was matter vibrating. Is there >another kind of sound I know nothing about? Sound comes into being after the creation of either [space] from the false ego [which comes from the mind, the mind comes from the intelligence and the intelligence comes from the soul and the soul is part and parcel of Krishna, a plenary expansion of Krishna]. Sound is a quality of either, not air. [there is sound in air, sound in water, sound in fire, sound in earth.] And yes, there is another kind of sound. We are talking about material sound here but there is also spiritual sound. "The Personality of Godhead and His holy name, qualities, etc. are all identical. The personality of Kali was not able to enter the jurisdiction of the earth due to the presence of the Personality of Godhead. And similarly, if there is an arrangement for the constant chanting of the holy names, qualities, etc. of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, there is no chance at all for the personality of Kali to enter. This is the technique for driving the personality of Kali from the world. In modernized human society there are great advancements of material science, and they have invented the radio to distribute sound in the air. So instead of vibrating some nuisance sound for sense enjoyment, if the state arranges to distribute transcendental sound by resounding the holy name, fame and activities of the Lord, as they are authorized in the Bhagavad-gita or Srimad Bhagavatam, then a favorable condition will be created, the principals of religion in the world will be reestablished, and thus the executive heads, who are so anxious to drive away corruption from the world, will be successful. Nothing is bad if properly used for the service of the Lord." (Srimad Bhagavatam 1.18.6 purport by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada) Hare Krishna. Thank you. Hare Krishna! Madhudvisa dasa (firstname.lastname@example.org) /sudarsana All glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada!