Buddhists are Atheists
Subject: Buddhists are Atheists
Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 05:55 GMT
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email@example.com (Ming Woei) wrote:
>In article <shingleton.2.112.2FB2B28F@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>The Snake <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>>I've thought about the religion thing many many times. I consider myself to an
>>open minded inividual. I don't believe in a God of any sort, so I guess that
>>would make me an athiest, or agnostic. I don't think that a person's
>>consciesness(sp?) ceases to exist when the body dies though. I'm not saying
>>that there's a heaven or hell, perhaps just another state of being that our
>>minds transcend to. The next step in evolution maybe? What a person makes of
>>this next state may determine if it's a "heaven" or a "hell"
>> - Snake...
>Yes I share the same ideas as you.
>I call myself an atheist.
There are many atheists who believe in a separate body and "self". If
one is intelligent he cannot accept the "Life from Chemicals" scenario.
The biggest group of atheists who have a conception of a "self" that
continues is the Buddhists. They don't have any concept of "God", they
accept the "Buddha" as an ordinary person who has simply uncovered his
"Buddha Nature" and they can also uncover their own "Buddha Nature" and
become just as good as the master. This is the reason Buddhism is
becoming quite popular in the West. It provides a philosophy much less
childish than the "big bang" and still it allows one to remain an
It's very nice... You can have all sorts of in-depth philosophical
discussions but still not have to believe in God.
We glorify our spiritual master, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta
Swami Prabhupada with the words, "nivesha sunyavadi pasyata desha..".
"All glories to you who have come to the Western countries to
annihilate the impersonal ["It's all one"] and voidist [Buddhist]
philosophies and in their place establish Bhakti-yoga, pure love for
So we don't accept the Buddhist's philosophy, but it is more
intelligent than the "big bang" or "evolution"...
"The teacher of the Buddhist cult set forth nine principles, but Sri
Caitanya Mahaprabhu broke them to pieces with His strong logic. All
mental speculators and learned scholars were defeated by Sri Caitanya
Mahaprabhu, and when the people began to laugh, the Buddhist
philosophers felt both shame and fear. The Buddhists could understand
that Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was a Vaisnava, and they returned
home very unhappy. Later, however, they began to plot against the Lord.
"Having made their plans the Buddhists brought a plate of untouchable
food before Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and called it maha-prasad
[remnants of food spiritualised by being offered to Krishna].
"When the contaminated food was offered to Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, a
very large bird appeared on the spot, picked up the plate in its beak
and flew away. Indeed, the untouchable food fell upon the Buddhists,
and the large bird dropped the plate on the head of the chief Buddhist
teacher. When it fell on his head it made a big sound. The plate was
made of metal and when its edge hit the head of the teacher, it cut
him, amd the teacher immediately fell to the ground unconscious.
"When the teacher fell unconscious, his Buddhist disciples cried aloud
and ran to the lotus feet of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu for shelter. They
all prayed to Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, addressing Him as the
Supreme Personality of Godhead and saying, "Sir, please excuse our
offense. Please have mercy upon us and bring our spiritual master back
"Then the Lord replied to the Buddhist disciples: 'You should all chant
the names of Krishna and Hari very loudly near the ear of your
spiritual master. By this method your spiritual master will regain his
consciousness.' Following Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's advice all the
Buddhist disciples began to chant the holy name of Krishna
"When all the disciples chanted the names Krishna, Rama and Hari, the
Buddhist teacher regained consciousness and immediately began to chant
the name of Hari. When the spiritual master of the Buddhistss began to
chant the holy name of Krishna and submitted to Lord Sri Caitanya
Mahaprabhu, all the people who were gathered there were astonished..."
(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya-lila 9.51-63)
Thank you. Hare Krishna!
All glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada!