email@example.com (Ming Woei) wrote: >In article <shingleton.2.112.2FB2B28F@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>, >The Snake <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: >>I've thought about the religion thing many many times. I consider myself to an >>open minded inividual. I don't believe in a God of any sort, so I guess that >>would make me an athiest, or agnostic. I don't think that a person's >>consciesness(sp?) ceases to exist when the body dies though. I'm not saying >>that there's a heaven or hell, perhaps just another state of being that our >>minds transcend to. The next step in evolution maybe? What a person makes of >>this next state may determine if it's a "heaven" or a "hell" >> >> - Snake... >> >Yes I share the same ideas as you. >I call myself an atheist. There are many atheists who believe in a separate body and "self". If one is intelligent he cannot accept the "Life from Chemicals" scenario. The biggest group of atheists who have a conception of a "self" that continues is the Buddhists. They don't have any concept of "God", they accept the "Buddha" as an ordinary person who has simply uncovered his "Buddha Nature" and they can also uncover their own "Buddha Nature" and become just as good as the master. This is the reason Buddhism is becoming quite popular in the West. It provides a philosophy much less childish than the "big bang" and still it allows one to remain an atheist! It's very nice... You can have all sorts of in-depth philosophical discussions but still not have to believe in God. We glorify our spiritual master, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada with the words, "nivesha sunyavadi pasyata desha..". "All glories to you who have come to the Western countries to annihilate the impersonal ["It's all one"] and voidist [Buddhist] philosophies and in their place establish Bhakti-yoga, pure love for Krishna." So we don't accept the Buddhist's philosophy, but it is more intelligent than the "big bang" or "evolution"... "The teacher of the Buddhist cult set forth nine principles, but Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu broke them to pieces with His strong logic. All mental speculators and learned scholars were defeated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and when the people began to laugh, the Buddhist philosophers felt both shame and fear. The Buddhists could understand that Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was a Vaisnava, and they returned home very unhappy. Later, however, they began to plot against the Lord. "Having made their plans the Buddhists brought a plate of untouchable food before Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and called it maha-prasad [remnants of food spiritualised by being offered to Krishna]. "When the contaminated food was offered to Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, a very large bird appeared on the spot, picked up the plate in its beak and flew away. Indeed, the untouchable food fell upon the Buddhists, and the large bird dropped the plate on the head of the chief Buddhist teacher. When it fell on his head it made a big sound. The plate was made of metal and when its edge hit the head of the teacher, it cut him, amd the teacher immediately fell to the ground unconscious. "When the teacher fell unconscious, his Buddhist disciples cried aloud and ran to the lotus feet of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu for shelter. They all prayed to Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, addressing Him as the Supreme Personality of Godhead and saying, "Sir, please excuse our offense. Please have mercy upon us and bring our spiritual master back to life. "Then the Lord replied to the Buddhist disciples: 'You should all chant the names of Krishna and Hari very loudly near the ear of your spiritual master. By this method your spiritual master will regain his consciousness.' Following Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's advice all the Buddhist disciples began to chant the holy name of Krishna congregationally. "When all the disciples chanted the names Krishna, Rama and Hari, the Buddhist teacher regained consciousness and immediately began to chant the name of Hari. When the spiritual master of the Buddhistss began to chant the holy name of Krishna and submitted to Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, all the people who were gathered there were astonished..." (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya-lila 9.51-63) Hare Krishna! Thank you. Hare Krishna! Madhudvisa dasa (email@example.com) /sudarsana All glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada!